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- From: ahby@bungia.bungia.mn.org (Shane P. McCarron)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.unix
- Subject: Standards Update, Part 7: IEEE 1003.5
- Message-ID: <275@longway.TIC.COM>
- Date: 12 Dec 88 08:00:11 GMT
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- Reply-To: Shane P. McCarron <ahby@bungia.bungia.mn.org>
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- Approved: jsq@longway.tic.com (Moderator, John S. Quarterman)
-
- [ These Standards Updates are published after each IEEE 1003
- meeting, and are commissioned by the USENIX Association.
- See Part 1 for contact information. -mod ]
-
-
- An update on UNIX|= Standards Activities - Part 7
-
- POSIX 1003.5 Update
-
- November 18, 1988
-
- Shane P. McCarron, NAPS International
-
- 1003.5 - Ada Language Binding
-
- This group is interesting. They have now distributed draft
- 1 of their standard to the working group, but they are very
- close to finishing.
-
- The primary goal of the P1003.5 working group is to produce
- an Ada language binding for the operating system services
- interface defined by the P1003.1 standard. This work has
- progressed to the stage of circulating draft chapters within
- the group. These chapters are to be reviewed at the next .5
- meeting (in January).
-
- The last .5 meeting was 7-9 September 1988 in Minneapolis,
- Minnesota. One of the issues discussed there was improving
- coordination with the rest of P1003. The last two P1003
- meetings conflicted with major Ada meetings, so that .5
- chose to meet separately. This has not been good for
- communication. Fortunately, there are no major conflicts
- with the Fort Lauderdale meeting, and we will attempt to
- synchronize future meetings with the rest of the P1003
- working groups.
-
- Major issues which were discussed at the September meeting
- included: (1) the relationship of Ada I/O and POSIX I/O, and
- how this relates to P1003.0; (2) (missing) support for Ada
- in the P1003.2 standard; (3) real-time features required by
- Ada, and whether P1003.4 will provide these; (4) changes to
- .1 between draft 12 and the final version that will require
- changes to the .5 draft chapters; (5) the relationship of
- Ada tasks to POSIX processes; (6) whether the organization
- of the P1003.5 document should mirror the .1 document.
-
- One of the central problems they face is reconciling the
- relationship between Ada tasks and POSIX processes. Unlike
- POSIX processes, Ada tasks share a common logical address
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- |= UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T in the U.S. and
- other countries.
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- space. If they map Ada tasks onto distinct POSIX processes,
- they need a way to share memory and file handles (opened
- after fork) between processes, which is not provided in .1.
- (Support for shared memory is on the .4 agenda, but the
- final form remains uncertain.) Moreover, there are
- applications of Ada tasks that require task switching,
- creation, and termination to be performed much faster than
- may be possible for POSIX processes.
-
- On the other hand, we might implement tasks as multiple
- threads of control within a process, but then they run into
- other problems. Unfortunately, multiple threads of control
- within a process cannot be supported well without some
- cooperation from the OS. For example, a blocking system
- call by one thread should not block other threads. For
- another example, what happens when one task is in the middle
- of a system call and another one forks? (For now, P1003.5
- agreed that Fork/Exec should be allowed, but that their
- effects in a multitasking Ada program are implementation
- dependent.)
-
- The concept of POSIX support for "light-weight processes" is
- appealing. The group will explore the applicability of such
- a solution. In order to broaden the base of interest, we
- have agreed to sponsor a "Birds of a Feather" discussion on
- this issue at the Ft. Lauderdale meeting.
-
- Another major problem is reconciling POSIX signals with Ada
- semantics. The .5 group has done some preliminary work on
- this. The concept most closely corresponds to an
- asynchronous Ada exception, but this construct is of
- questionable legality. The legal Ada mechanism appears to
- be entry calls, but this presents other problems. Much work
- remains.
-
- A third problem area is data representation, and character
- sets in particular. POSIX already has problems with
- international character sets, arising from special uses of
- certain glyphs, and from an implicit assumption that
- characters are represented as bytes. Ada makes this worse,
- since it specifies a very specific standard character set
- (ASCII). The .5 group proposes to recognize POSIX
- characters (and strings) as distinct from the Ada versions,
- and to provide transfer functions for situations where one
- must be converted to the other.
-
- Due to a comflict with the ACM Tri-Ada conference, 1003.5
- was not able to meet with the rest of the POSIX committees
- in Hawaii. However, several individual members volunteered
- to attend as liaison with the other groups. This will
- probably turn out to have been very helpful in resolving
-
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- some questions about division of responsibility. The
- Watchdog Committee contact met with both 1003.1 and 1003.4
- during the week.
-
- It became clear during the 1003.1 meeting that but should
- move ahead boldly to create a true Ada interface. Further,
- it appeared that due to Ada's strong typing requirements
- (required by ISO) than the present .1 standard, and might
- well influence the form of the future .1.
-
- Meetings with the .4 revealed that support for Ada's real-
- time requirements might be provided by that group, but not
- necessarily in a suitable form or soon enough. In
- particular, the subject of lightweight processes, which
- might be used to implement Ada tasks, is not on the .4
- agenda. This leaves the subject open to be addressed by .5.
-
- These, and observations by other .5 members serving as
- liaisons are likely to influence the direction of work when
- the group next gets together.
-
- The Watchdog committee contact for 1003.5 is Ted Baker. He
- can be reached at:
-
- Ted Baker
- Department of Computer Science
- Florida State University
- Tallahassee, FL 32306
- +1 904 644-5452
- tbaker@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu
- baker@nu.cs.fsu.edu
-
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- Volume-Number: Volume 15, Number 43
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